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Post by alasdhair on Oct 13, 2010 17:24:35 GMT
I'd be totally up for some hellish nights!
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Post by Barbecue Chicken Wingers McGee on Oct 13, 2010 18:55:29 GMT
actually, yes, if cocktail nights shift to another day, then myself and alasdhair can and will regularly attend!
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Post by Alex Coal on Oct 14, 2010 16:00:04 GMT
And why discuss it at the LPA meeting? It's not for us to decide, it's not an LPA class/event - it should be discussed here for the community to involve themselves haha That is what I was thinking too I have to say. I'll be out tonight, we can't meet in the park any more so I'll be by the fat bar from about 7pm if anyone else turns up. |
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Post by Abstergo on Oct 14, 2010 19:32:42 GMT
I won't be about for hell night til I've sorted out my training commitments and new schedule, so a week or two I think.
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Post by ron hill io on Jan 14, 2011 21:13:38 GMT
Soooo, me and Jim were talking and we thought it would be cool if we started hell nights again. Tim or Dan, since you guys normally ran this, what do yo think? Nay or Yay?
PS: who else would turn up for hell nights?
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Post by Joe Rogan on Jan 14, 2011 21:29:48 GMT
If you really wanted to then you could just do it yourselves. i'm assuming both Dan and Tim are too busy with other training commitments.
and in my opinon there's a lot more stuff that you could be doing which would be of more benefit than a night of training like that every week
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Post by misame on Jan 14, 2011 21:37:53 GMT
Soooo, me and Jim were talking and we thought it would be cool if we started hell nights again. Tim or Dan, since you guys normally ran this, what do yo think? Nay or Yay? PS: who else would turn up for hell nights? i would defo turn up in holidays or when the nights start to brighten up |
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Post by misame on Jan 14, 2011 21:38:32 GMT
If you really wanted to then you could just do it yourselves. i'm assuming both Dan and Tim are too busy with other training commitments. and in my opinon there's a lot more stuff that you could be doing which would be of more benefit than a night of training like that every week are you lifting on that day instead |
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Post by Joe Rogan on Jan 14, 2011 21:43:29 GMT
I lift Mon, Weds and Fri. Even so i wouldnt waste my time on it  |
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Post by misame on Jan 14, 2011 21:48:09 GMT
I lift Mon, Weds and Fri. Even so i wouldnt waste my time on it or you could list of tues, hell night on thursday and saturday |
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Post by Joe Rogan on Jan 14, 2011 22:32:21 GMT
Why? lifting is far more beneficial.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Jan 14, 2011 22:32:39 GMT
Why? lifting is far more beneficial.
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Post by misame on Jan 14, 2011 22:52:38 GMT
how so? arent hell nights a bit more parkour specific
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Post by Tim on Jan 14, 2011 23:35:11 GMT
I think it would be a great thing for you guys to start your own hell night routine. As Joe said, me and Dan are busy with other commitments such as our own training routines/work/LPA etc but I think it would be great for the community for someone to run it again. Instead of thinking of exercises in terms of "body-weight-only" and "lifting weights", split the exercises into categories around which exercises build strength and which build endurance. You can do endurance training with body weight exercises and you can do strength training with body weight exercises. The same is true with weight training. For example, press ups are pretty much an endurance exercise for me, as doing five or six is very easy. Where as handstand press ups are definitely a strength exercise, there is no way I can do five or six of them at the moment! Your muscles don't know the difference between lifting weights or lifting your own body weight, all they know is the varying amounts of resistance. When it comes to advanced strength training for your legs, there are some big advantages with lifting weights, as it becomes next to impossible to find exercises that ware you out after only 4 or 5 reps with just body weight, and you can steady add more weight and increase the difficulty of the exercises gradually which is another big plus. Still, there is no reason you can't do squats while giving some one a piggy back! Another thing to think about is how functional the exercises are. Most body weight exercises are pretty functional and similar to the way you would move in Parkour. Where as in the gym there are many machines that are complete gimmicks and pretty useless. It is more about how you plan out your routines and trying to train smart. Try to stick to big movements that use multiple muscles/muscle groups working together. If you plan out your own routine, work out if you want it to be more strength based, or more endurance based. If its more geared towards strength, have tougher exercises for less reps and give your self plenty of time to recover between sets. The old school hell nights where pretty much endurance based, short rests, long stamina based exercises that tested your will power as much as your muscles. Ahhh, Good times! Work out what your goals for the night are and build a routine around that. Tim |
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Post by Joe Rogan on Jan 14, 2011 23:37:45 GMT
For a start, 'parkour' specific or sport specific training is bulls**t. its a myth. a load of crap. what makes your training/lifting/strength 'sport specific' is playing your sport!!
secondly, the only things 'parkour specific' are traverses, climb. ups and muscle ups - all of which feature in my technical training, usually as part of routes and rarely for physical work.
My weight lifting follows the 531 programme atm. i do thr 4 main lifts (press, deadlift, bench, squat) and then for assistance work i throw in chins fpr low and high reps, dips, db bench, inverted rows, dumbbell rows, grip work, step ups, glute ham raises and reverse hypers
I have trained in a hell night fashion for at least 2-3 years. ive elifted for 1 year. i think its obvious which has been more beneficial.
so to stress: weight isnt evil. lifting doesbt exclude staple exercises like dips and pull ups. and there is nothing thay will have a greater carry over to your performance than training in this way.
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Post by Joe Rogan on Jan 14, 2011 23:44:23 GMT
And Tim, i would disagree with you in making such a significant difference between strength and endurance. even if im doing 5x20 dips, i wouldnt class it as endurance. if you've gone from 5x10 to 5x20, you've gotten stronger. thats a big thing with 531, strength isnt just 1-5rm.
and if you guys did do a hell night or whatever, please dont do it for more than 60 minutes.90 at a push.
If you want to see the greatest carry over, you need to be training with the proper equipment, with a well designed.programme. you simply cannot be outside for 3 hours doing countless reps and expect anything but an extrmely tollerant CNS
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Post by Joe Rogan on Jan 14, 2011 23:50:55 GMT
Functional training is another fad as well. too many people throw it about. even dumbbell curls have their place in programmes.
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Post by Tim on Jan 15, 2011 0:27:23 GMT
I agree Joe, maybe I phrased that badly. I'll try to explain that again.
The point I was trying to make to the less experienced guys is that bodyweight exercises don't have to be endurance based marathons, you can make significant strength gains with them (especially with the upper body) if you structure your training accordingly.
I guess I was thinking that sometimes people can generalise both weight training and body weight training. People seem to think they will get huge when they even touch weights, and they wont put on muscle mass from body weight exercises.
For example, you can train for one arm chin ups with using only body weight, but that is very different from training to do 100 press ups. There not the same just because they are "body-weight". In the same way that training to squat twice your body weight in the gym is different to training to bench press a light weight 100 times. (I know you know that of course Joe! I'm just stating it for everyone.)
I was just trying to make it clear that "body-weight" isn't all just endurance, and "lifting-weights" doesn't have to be all raw strength. Those two categories are massive, its more about what exercises people choose to use and how they structure their training.
Btw, in this post I not discussing which is the best for Parkour, I'm pretty sure that has been covered already. I just wanted to make the point.
Tim
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Post by TankZILLA on Jan 15, 2011 0:43:55 GMT
A lot of very good this said here. The thing with me is even though i really want to do strength training, i just cant motivate myself to go to a gym and train alone.
The great thing about hell nights was that it was soooo much fun and i loved them. so yeah id defiantly be up for starting them again, but i would only be able to come every other week as im doing stupid shifts at work.
But yeah whoever is up for it, it would be great if we start this again.
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Post by ron hill io on Jan 15, 2011 6:08:43 GMT
Yeh pretty much the same for me Tanzil, i seriously cant be bothered to join a gym  ! But i think now i can start coming to hell nights (no more cadets  ) so yeh... I mean the stuff we used to do in hell nights were hard and i thought they helped. so we could just do the same routine. Ill tell you more Tanzil. ATM, its probably just me, you and Jim. Maria might come along too |
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Post by misame on Jan 15, 2011 11:00:47 GMT
so when thursday night training does start again lets switch out the run for maybe Quadrupedal movement and a sprint
an am not just saying that because i dont like endurance running
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Post by Joe Rogan on Jan 15, 2011 11:25:01 GMT
Why dont you guys go to a gym together then? I guarantee it would be better for you. Training in that hell night fashion for hours on end is almost counterproductive If you guys joined a gym and did the right work you would see massive strength gains, size gains, speed gains, jump gains etc |
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Post by misame on Jan 15, 2011 11:36:19 GMT
Why dont you guys go to a gym together then? I guarantee it would be better for you. Training in that hell night fashion for hours on end is almost counterproductive If you guys joined a gym and did the right work you would see massive strength gains, size gains, speed gains, jump gains etc gyms cost money, although i could get a discount for being a student at beachump but i dunno i prefer being outside and training in a hell night style its fun but i would maybe join a gym to train my legs and do bent over rows |
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Post by Joe Rogan on Jan 15, 2011 12:45:57 GMT
Well if that's what makes you happy  |
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Post by ron hill io on Jan 15, 2011 18:15:06 GMT
We could do both. go gym and hell night. Joe, i dont know but i prefer a hell night to gym session. dunno why but i do |
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